A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. Joanne and Alex didnt disappear until 12/15. They need to test that hair from Joanns hand and also that broken fingernail. You seem to have a fragile ego. Have you read the book? Patricia Rorrer: The Hang Up: Directed by Joe Berlinger, Catharine Park. Answer 1 of 3: My Thai wife put her foot down - despite Covid-19 were are going sightseeing, or else. More than 20 years after her conviction, Patricia Rorrer still has advocates working to exonerate her. of course they all do it to make money only, some of them do it shamelessly, without the slightest attempt to be fair and honest. Whether or not one believes said person has a motive, did investigators have an actual factual case or not? in tandem with no evidence of home invasion. They retested the hair for DNA evidence with updated technology definitely Patricias hair case closed. Pat had a string of bad relationships in her past and was not happy. I didnt know about the supposed SIDS death of Rorrers first-born. Still, no good leads materialized. The Murders of Joann and Alex Katrinak [Unresolved Crime] - Reddit This article seems to have a great many errors and omissions, more by design, I fancy, than a need to tell the story objectively. The obvious, if moot, response to this is to observe that her conviction wasnt based on inaccurate documentaries but on trial. Thus Im confident shes the perp probably mentally disturbed at the time (the thought of her rationally, coolly killing her babies is too horrible), though probably not to the standard for criminal mitigation. (Disclaimer: Im not a big fan of eyewitnesses who come forward years after the fact, but its possible). If Patricia drove it back from the murder scene after she shot Joann and then beat her to death, luminal would have lit up the interior. Your position Ive read a lot, Im right; you disagree with me, Ill say youre a moron. After researching this case more thoroughly, I stand corrected about the time it took the jury to return a verdict. Finally, another irony you fail to appreciate: you claim theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. It says that Andrew Katrinak passed his lie detector test. He gave an audio interview to the Wrong Man investigators when they made a surprise visit to his house, but he declined to appear on camera. Why would she say that maybe she wasnt really a good friend, just someone trying to inject herself into a super sensational case. His favorite rattle, shaped like a phone, lay near the crime scene. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. Those who knew Joann pointed out that she didnt like to drive in reverse and would have never parked that way. Weak wages. Your somewhat convoluted explanation of discuss and express opinion, seems to ramble on and on without any logic or reason. Clifford Freeman, were you a juror? Angry that Joann hung up on her, she stalked her for three days, then broke into her basement and cut the phone line, put a gun to Joanns head as she was placing Alex in the car, and forced her to drive to the rural area. Too many people testified as to the type of person she was. Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. Its barely visible in the picture. Great catch. I cant lose them, he told the media. This Sunday, Investigation Discovery and velvety-voiced Dateline NBC correspondent Keith Morrison will revisit the double-homicide. And the obvious answer is Ill tell you why (which really is common knowledge). The fact that there was a broken fingernail with skin attached to it found on her clothingand wasnt Patricias. Find out more Our Mission Patricia's Story Our Mission Is to get Patricia a fair trial that will prove her innocence, and give justice to Joann and Alex who died a horrific death. It is of course good and desirable that third parties press the case for innocence because it maximises the chance that guilty verdicts are correct (given that it is worse for the innocent to be found guilty than the reverse). They also think she killed her first hubby Larry Ford as well. Were I a prosecutor I would consider the aforementioned characterisation technically false and failing in probity. Sorry not sorry. Mal told Keith Morrison that Patricias dance teacher originally confirmed her alibi that she was in class on the day of the murder, then changed his mind. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports, 7 Unnerving Facts About the Lindberghs and the Kidnapping, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Daniel and Cynthia McDonnell: Good Cop, Bad Wife. If documentaries are, as you claim, biased against Rorrer, the obvious question is why. One of Patricia's alibis was that she was at a bar on the night of the abduction. Patricia Rorrer was convicted in 1998 of murdering a young mother named Joann Katrinak as well as her 15-week old infant son. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory. Check out ALL the facts if you feel the need to comment. Hardly an argument, more a figment of your overconfidence in your opinion. (A good point. Watching this case on tv again today, I returned to this site and noted: I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. Shame on your for defending a vicious killer. On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. Anyone who thinks this psycho isnt guilty needs to take off their tin hat. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. Yet they insisted in the trial that the call came in on the 13th. Kidnapped and killed? Patricia L. Rorrer was taken into custody from the Linwood home she shared with her boyfriend and 1-year-old daughter on June 24, 1997. Patricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. This was the reality for 58-year-old Patricia Rorrer, who is currently serving life in prison at Muncy State Correctional Institution (SCI) in Pennsylvania. Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? Interesting thought about the alibi timing. If you have ever met or been in a relationship with a narcissist, the former partner being with a more young and attractive-looking person would make them go off. Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. I dont think so. I have to assume its because her conviction is regarded as safe (which doesnt mean it IS safe, I know). The police report misspells his name (Troutman) and doesnt include his address, suggesting authorities didnt want anyone to track him down, according to Patricias side. It is not necessary to the case against her that she owned the killing gun (and it would be foolish to have used it). There are innocent people in prison. Everyone lies. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! She was bubbly and likable, not disgruntled, according to friend Kathy Barber, who visited her friend in jail. Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! It showed her usually all-brown hair haphazardly highlighted blond. I believe this woman murdered Joann and Alex. John If you feel it so necessary to post a comment, please at least try to keep it original, because theres nothing sensible with your juvenile attempt using my words. She was also accused of breaking into barns, stealing horses, and underfeeding the ones she owned. you dont want to fall off and hurt your oversized ego. Despite the new evidence and hypotheses, the courts have rejected all of Patricias bids for a new trial. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? She definitely did it. They tested the hair last night on Reasonable Doubt using updated technology it is definitely Patricias. When Andy Katrinak comes home to find his wife and infant son gone, he summons the police and tells them he believes they have been abducted, and he suspects his ex-girlfriend Patty Rorrer might be involved. Do you realize that Patricia was only found and arrested more than six months after the murder? They were able to match 5 hairs all the same micro DNA which happened to match the DNA pulled from blood samples Pat gave. The "Wrong Man" team explores whether Vonda may have been wrongfully convicted. My biggest issue is the day the phone call came in, and the fact that the prosecutor deliberately misrepresented the facts. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. Police couldnt determine whether the baby died of exposure or suffocation. It seems so, according to you. I really never thought of it again.. Ive scanned through of all my remarks on this site and nowhere have a seen a single remark that confirms your assertion that Ive been insulting. Lie detectors are pseudo science. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. In TV clips, Andrew didnt come off as anguished. Rorrers filed multiple appeals over issues you raise, the latest recently and rejected. Plus, he had only a minimal life insurance policy on Joann and he passed polygraphs, according to The FBI Files: Family Secrets. Watch Wrong Man Season 2: Stream Full Episodes on STARZ As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. You know whats interesting? DNA testing revealed the blood came from either Joann or her son. I was able to email with Patricia via the PrisonConnect platform around Christmastime. Re Sells, the problem viz some serial killers is in exaggerating the number as a badge of honour. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? While most of the documentaries come out as reinforcing her guilt, albeit most of them giving differing accounts of the speculation which was presented at her trial, some going even further by showing scenes that were offered as theories at her trial, as FACT. Theres a similar air of confusion connected to the Scott Peterson debacle. Most of your comment absolutely astonishes me. Charged with two counts of capital murder and two counts of kidnapping, Patricia Rorrer was quickly tried, convicted, and sentenced to life in prison without parole. Nobody said bodies were intact. Tragedy also touched Patricias life. Keep in mind that 34 hairs are in custody of the state police, so where are the other 4 hairs? And the obvious answer is not as you claim. Forensic Files didnt mention it, but the hairs were actually brown at the top and the rest dyed blond, according to the show Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction. Most of all, Patricia said, she would like a rematch with prosecutor Michael McIntyre. It was a really perfect day with cloudless sky and temperature at about 20 C. I expected to be riding the local transportation a lot since my wife is not. Women murder for all kinds of reasons, but the simple facts come down to this.there was physical evidence, the bullet wound matched that of the gun Pat owned, the hairs were Pats and at both scenes, and she had no alibi and she had lied to try and come up with one.and lets not forget the damning words she spoke to her 18 month old daughter that the officer had the common sense to document. Cops under pressure will lie to close a case. 1994 double-murder case returns to Lehigh County Court - lehighvalleylive This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. Two problems, then: a failure to see your own position as you see others (failure to comprehend irony), and failure to understand the difference between fact and opinion. I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. Miami Herald Article on Bobby Kent's Murder - Forensic Files Now Sad discovery. Ten months after Joann died he murdered another woman (who looks just like her) and her baby, as well. This information was never revealed to Rorrers defence. There was also forensic evidence, obviously planted by them crooked cops, according to defenders. Just consider all your nasty posts about others opinions and learn to attack the argument, not the arguer with insults. I would bet MONEY that the first baby born to Patricia didnt die of SIDS. She hasnt, she didnt get a hard enough sentence. February 29, 2020. Its never been made clear. Joann Katrinaks Killer Still Has Innocence Advocates(A Woman Scorned, Forensic Files). Theyre just not willing to investigate/research as to the truth. I deduced my opinion to be fact because of what Ive read and seen and is supported by evidence which was never disclosed at her trial. Its his hair (dirty blond and roughly 8 inches in length) that was found in Joanns hand. If I rolled my eyes any harder they might fall out. At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. You started slinging insults, then got insulted when slung back. The series was produced by Joe Berlinger, who made the Paradise Lost documentaries, which garnered actor Johnny Depps attention and ultimately helped free the West Memphis Three. If you so dearly feel the need to occupy the high ground in debate or an argument, have the decency to quote accurately. But it doesnt make a nonsense of her being the shooter, regardless of their speculation. It might have said no root but could have been wrong. How about the mix up with the hair and the fact that it was not forensically tested (outside of the one man who compared the hairs through naked eye). Youre so fixated with her guilt, youre unable to see other factors that show this case to be a disgraceful travesty. No charmed life. And NOBODY saw her at all? Just one example. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. That woman has no soul. ALL IT THEN BECOMES IS A SOURCE OF INACCURACIES AND SPECULATION, WHICH ONLY SERVES TO BOLSTER THOSE WITH THAT MENTALITY AND PERPETUATE THE LACK OF TRUTH. One of Patricia's alibis was that she was at a bar on the night of the abduction. I have been following this case for a very long time, watching nearly all the available documentaries and have also read the book, Convenient Suspect, by Tammy Mal as well as acquiring a great deal of information which has emerged since the trial with regard to this case. Incriminating words. Police need evidence of perpetration in every claimed case, and Sells is regarded as lying about some claimed murders per inability or unwillingness to detail. Let her rot like she left Joan and that INNOCENT baby Alex. And the fact that Patricia called Andrew even after he married someone else didnt mean she was still carrying a torch for him, according to one of her friends. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. There is no justice for your loved ones when the wrong person is paying for the crime. Wrong Man Season 2 Review: Joe Berlinger's Dream Team Tries Changing False. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? Answer 1 of 2: We are looking to get the ferry over to Helsinki from Tallin on 27th Dec 2020, so trying to establish if best to get an early (7am) ferry or a slightly later one depending on what time the shops/sight seeing attractions will be open - can anyone. I dont understand Partricias defenders pointing to Andrew with the dyed blond hair found at the car and murder scene. This response of yours neatly sums up your dogmatic view of her guilt despite so much evidence to the contrary. Andrew had an ex-girlfriend, Patricia Rorrer, who'd been familiar with the trail, and she'd previously managed a horse stable just a mile from the scene. Not gender neutral. Patricia Rorrer - Wrongful Conviction, Innocent, Nonprofit The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. Pfeiffer and Burke claimed that police Sgt. She failed miserably to convince me, or anyone else who mattered, of her innocence. Wouldnt that verify Troutmans claim that the husband was arguing with the victim, in a rage? Those that think that Patricia is innocent are simply groping at straws. Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. And dance instructor William Jarrett couldnt remember whether she attended his dance class at the club the night of Joanns disappearance. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. Andy did end up moving to Colorado with her and the last time I checked, they were still together. Youre clutching at straws Im afraid. First it was winter, cold temperatures preserve bodies for significantly longer periods. I do not think Mr K is guilty. They also found a photo of Patricia taken 11 days before the homicide. Thank you, this is a very interesting comment. Its nothing short of a feeble stab hoping to impress but really amounts to splitting hairs, or to put it another way, hot air with no substance. She said that shes no fan of Forensic Files and that the show had many misrepresentations about her case and that shed heard ForensicFilesNow.com mixed up some facts as well. Patricia Rorrer will burn in hell, as she should. Im inclined to think both Rorrer and Routier are guilty. Meanwhile, interest in Patricias plight continues on social media. There are judges, eminent lawyers and writers who are in support of her. The fact that shortly after Joanns funeral, Andy reconnected with an old friend, a woman who happened to live about 4 miles from where the bodies were found. To prove it 110% rather than just 99% I dont know why they wouldnt retest the hair fibers etc. WATCH: ID Examines 1994 Lehigh Valley Double-Murder - People Im new to the case, but there seems to be a lot of reasonable doubt. State: Oklahoma. PDF In the United States District Court for The Eastern District of Patricia Rorrer was wrongfully convicted of Murder. His hair (back in 94-95) was dirty blonde and roughly 8 inches long. This FBI report, of the hairs being unable to yield a DNA result because of the absent root material, was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Anyway, there are thousands of people who differ from that belief, that is why there is so much controversy surrounding this case, and that is why there have been numerous convicted people in the past whove been exonerated on appeal. Its patently clear you are another of those who knows too little about this case. Police slowly built a case against Patricia. because theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. THE COPS SET HER UP. The 5-foot-9-inch-tall Patricia was physically strong, no match for 5-foot-4-inch Joann. I am reliably informed they took SIX hours, not TWO as stated in my comment. During Patricias hours-long turn in the witness chair, Michael McIntyre grilled her relentlessly. Just saying. Required fields are marked *. The attorney, Craig Neely, also argues he has the testimony of a. I have worked for Interpol for years as a gun analyst, usually women who commit such crimes against their exes wife or mistress, lover etc are pushed from behind by a man and promises and lies. The first rule of a murder is motive. Prime Video: Wrong Man - Season 2 Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. Your pathetic attempt to insult not only shows a not very original comment, but clearly displays a lack of intelligence. It could be coincidence, but I really doubt it. I accept there are a couple of remarks which can be seen that way but they are in direct response to those whove been offensive in the first place. At one point Interpol had an extremely similar case in which an individual convinced a friend, who had been his sexual partner several times in the past, to kill the woman he had a baby with, on the grounds that the child is not his and he does not love her but cannot leave because everyone would accuse him of abandoning his child and his family name would be affected. Police say Rorrer put a .22-caliber bullet in the mother's head, strangled the baby and placed him . I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. On January 11, 2021, At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. Maybe then you will see the wrongful conviction! Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. The District Attorney got this one right. Clifford Freeman, since you are already at the top of the list of deluded people not much room left for anyone with an oversized ego such as you apparently have!! Opinion: the ideas that a person or a group of people have about something or someone, which are based mainly on their feelings and beliefs, or a single idea of this type.. After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. The prosecution alleged that after the murder, Patricia drove Joanns car to McCartys parking lot and backed it into a parking space. Irelands husband buried it in the yard because he didnt feel comfortable with a firearm inside, she said. There is a term in law called balance of probabilities, which basically means that guilt is assigned when there is a preponderance of evidence that would lead a rational person to conclude that the person did it. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. No way they laid there for 4 months!!!! Its not logical to say we know the truth unless we seen it for ourselves. I have not SEEN this report that says no root found is there a picture of it online somewhere? Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. Plus, two men, her babys father and his friend, testified they saw Patricia at the line-dancing club the night of the homicide. As for Joanns parents, her father died a year after the murder. They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. And finally, your supercilious comment about Speculative lies Ive perused my previous comments and at no point do I see those words! Testimony from Walter Blalock contradicted Patricias claim that she never had a gun. The real killer is Rorrer! And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded. Her non-serious but potentially fatal (proximity to artery) injury could have been a half-hearted suicide attempt if not intentional other-incriminating. so then using your contention, one who is deeply religious and sees God as being a factual figure is wrong? Joanns first husband, New Jersey construction worker Michael Jack, who had reportedly abused her during their marriage, also had a solid alibi. Lehigh Valley: Patricia Rorrer Still A Convenient Suspect? And while youre on that list, you can be happy in the knowledge youre not in rarefied company. Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. They broke up in 1993. I attack only those whove considered themselves not only judges on this case, but go on to vent their spleen aimed at a person who in my opinion is innocent of this crime, based on all Ive read and watched without fear of retaliation If they so freely attack someone in the most vicious way, why should they be off limits? Having read that and your most recent comment above, its clearly obvious youre a person of high educational standing and legal knowledge, which I fully respect. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. Patricia Rorrer: Under the Microscope. From what Ive seen its pretty obvious Patricia did do that to this poor woman and the baby. The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. Look into it. He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. And your attempt to draw a distinction between a fact and an opinion! Another inaccuracy in this is, they state the jury took SIX HOURS to return a verdict, when in fact it took less than TWO HOURS. You, however, consider your ill-informed opinion superior to them not only that, you then go to great lengths to belittle them. Ill always say that Tommy Lynn Sells murdered the Routier boys OR the father Darrin did it. Well of course it is, so you overstated your opinion as though you know it to be fact, thus the jury and others were wrong; ironic because youre quick to complain that others are much to sure of *their* opinion shes guilty. Mr Steve J I happen to be one of those deluded people youre so freely attempting to insult. . Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. Patricia is not guilty of this horrible crime she was railroaded by her ex and the cops. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. I would like to tell you that there is many errors in this article, that I would love to send to you the proof of each one. If I see anything that offers a differing opinion or is inaccurate, I think its entirely fair I should say my piece. The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory.. Or the ME and the entomologist that explained how impossible it would be for that baby and mother to be out there for four months, deceased at that, and still be as intact as they were, and the fact that the baby was double the size of a three month old child. Update/Clean-Up. The Innocence Project has declined to take her case. While not a guilt sceptic, I suggest this was either ill-conceived expression or an expression of misguided mindset for its not for the defendant (albeit now convict) to convince of innocence but for prosecution to convince of guilt (and per appeal, that guilt is safe rather than innocence unproven).